Wednesday, 18 September 2013

Jon Hill Interview

We are pleased to interview one of the veterans of the English nationalist scene – Jon “Benny” Hill. Can you please introduce yourself to our readers in few brief words?

Veteran... well, I have started to recede slightly and I have got a couple of grey hairs so I might qualify!
I first got involved in the scene 25 years ago, and in that long winding bumpy road I've been linked with several White interest groups, been in and out of prison for the cause, traveled to various corners of the White world and met friends and comrades I now regard as family.
Today, I try to be on friendly terms with all the rank and file kinsfolk of our various 14 Words organisations, and consider myself an Aryan Conservationist.

How did you get involved into Nationalist/ Skinhead scene and what has influenced you mostly?

When I was at school I started listening to Punk/OI! music, from there I progressed to the sounds of White racial rock and RAC. I loved the music and the message what Skrewdriver and Brutal Attack sang was something I could really relate to, especially living in Northern England and witnessing the miscegenation and the demographics of my home town alter around me. I was soon shaving my head, polishing my boots and meeting up with like-minded friends who thought the same as me. I began to read and learn more about our racial struggle, and basically have never looked back.

You are the author of “Live the Dream” pamphlet ( Can you please describe its conception to our readers?

In a nutshell the Live The Dream philosophy is about developing White community and creating a self-sustaining legacy for future White generations.
I examined essentially what the 3 main 14 Words organisations in Britain wanted -  National Front governmental power, British Movement for the shires to awake to the NS credo, and the Blood & Honour movement for their music to be heard. I then searched for a way these basic desires could be molded into a workable concept. The result was a slim, A6 32 page booklet entitled Live The Dream - A Call For Racial Rebirth & White Resurgence.
Copies of the booklet are available from at a cost of just 50p plus post and packing.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the ideas are quite similar to those of the founder of American National Alliance Dr. William Pierce. Do you think that “White Homeland” idea could be workable for UK and Europe, where we don’t have such a huge free territories to settle down?

The Live The Dream philosophy is slightly different to other White Homeland concepts. Live The Dream is not about creating a hippie type commune or having people relocate to some remote outpost. Live The Dream offers a more practical approach by having our racially aware kinsfolk settle in an already establish White community, then slowly interweaving into that fabric until our numbers and credo are enough to excert the social, political and economic influence that will dominate the region.

“I have been to London and I don’t need to go to Pakistan anymore” I always tell this joke, when meet English comrades around Europe…but what is the current racial situation not only in your capital city, but also around England at the present days?

 The Daily Mail reported on 11/01/2013 that more than 50 percent of people living in Leicester, Luton and Slough have joined London in having a minority White British population, and that Birmingham is expected to have a similar makeup by the year 2020.
As the sands of time slip away further china towns, paki lands, black ghettos and gay enclaves are going to spring up and more and more towns and cities are going to be took over by our foes. That is why we need to look at viable alternative solutions like Live The Dream now before its too late. Our nations our under siege, and history has taught us that when your nation is under siege one of the first steps a people must do is to form a castra or defensive position were they can rest, regroup and take stock of the situation.

What is your opinion about Islam in Europe, and especially in England where you have one of the largest Muslim populations, most of which unfortunately are British passport holders?
Britain's top judge says the nation should allow Islamic Sharia law. The head of the Church of England said something similar. Consequently, police dogs might have to wear booties when they search Muslim homes to avoid offending Muslims who believe dogs are unclean. And Britain's Home Secretary has decided Islamic terrorism should be re-named "anti-Islamic activity."
I'm a tad like Nicolas Sarkozy when it comes to Islam who said "When you live in France, you respect her republican rules, you don't practice polygamy, circumcise your daughters or slaughter sheep in your bathroom".

How the nowadays British Nationalist scene looks like? Are the major groups such as National front, BNP, British Movement and B&H cooperating to each other or not?

The BNP has done a lot to destroy Nationalist morale in the UK, and no real White racial group would want to work with the BNP. The BNP is not a 14 Words organisation, although legally they have to accept ethnic members, there is no excuse for them actively recruiting them and Nick Griffin encouraging it.
The rank and file of the BM, NF and B&H do go on demos and events together, however they could practice more White Racial Teamwork and do more to share resources as outlined in Live The Dream with the use of the One Voice Council.

Your opinion on EDL?

The EDL fly star of David flags, have a homosexual division, as well as proclaiming “Black and White Unite”. The EDL are not a 14 Words organisation and just like UKIP are a pressure valve the state opens and shuts when needed.

Mentioning B&H, in just couple of days the 20th annual ISD Memorial gig will took place somewhere in England. What are your personal memories from Ian Stuart, have you ever had the chance to meet him live on personal level or visit Skrewdriver gig?

I saw Skrewdriver play many times. At one point I remember them playing to such an extent in the Midlands that a lot of our Krew were getting sick of traveling down to watch them every week!
I remember the first time I met Ian, I was only 17 and was a little star-struck, I looked upon Ian as a pop idol. He came over to the bar and started chatting to me, sipping his pint, just like one of the lads, then he just climbed on stage and did his thing. He was a really likeable bloke with no airs or graces.

To be honest to our readers I didn’t asked the previous question accidentallyJ. You are the author of the “Diamond in the dust” ( published by RVF in 2002, which is kinda brief ISD Biography. Please, tell us a bit about the process of writing the book, which were your major sources of information? Why so large parts of the book are occupied by song lyrics and quotes from Ian Stuart’s statements?

I moved to Blackpool in 1998, and got in with the Blackpool Krew. We use to go drinking in Ian's old haunts - The Old Town hall in Poulton and The Tash nightclub in Blackpool, and I met Ian's brother Tony, and got to know his dad Arthur who would show me baby photos of Ian and even gave me an old diary of Ian's from 1976 which mentioned the forming of Tumbling Dice.
I just started writing Ian's biography for fun, I had a large collection of Skinzines and would read through the Skrewdriver interviews and put in quotes Ian had said, and then pad it out with relevent lyrics from his repertoire.
The only other Skrewdriver book available back then was The First Ten Years, by Joe Pearce, so my mates asked me if I would put my writings into a book format, which I did. I got 50 made which were spiral bound, A4 size with photos on every other page, it was first published in May 2000, I believe they are quite rare now and sell for over £50.

As far as I know you are the writer (it seems that you are really smart guy) of a pretty new book on the same topic called “Birch Street Echoes - Skrewdriver The First 88 Weeks ”. Let us know about its contents and where people can buy it or order it? What made you write another book dedicated to ISD& Skrewdriver a decade after “Diamond in the dust”?

Birch Street Echoes - Skrewdriver The First 88 Weeks, came about because in the gap between DITD I met people who grew up with Ian and they told me stories from the early days. Quite a few books appeared about Ian and Skrewdriver, but none of them spoke about the early days, like Skrewdriver playing in Holland in 1978, and Ian going shopping with Steve Strange. So, I thought our kinsfolk might be interested to read about these times.
The book is available from

Going back in the days 20 years ago…when and how you received the information of Ian’s death? Do you believe it was a car accident?

Jay (one of the Oldham Skins) told me of Ian's death over the phone. I'd only spoken to Ian about a week earlier, so for awhile it didn't sink in.
I traveled to South Africa just a few days later, and the worse thing was telling the Skins and AWB lads over there the bad news.
To begin with I thought Ian's death was an accident, and the rumors of murder were just propaganda to give the cause publicity, but, now I'm not too sure. The coroner at the inquest concluded "There must have been some other factor which contributed to the crash".
Very recently Red Action were linked to the Warrington bombing in March 1993, which shows the reds were capable of carrying out a hit, and just a couple of weeks ago the SAS were quizzed about the assassination of Princess Diana. One things for sure, the marxist left and the state saw Ian as a threat.

What did happen in the years after his death? What are the main reasons for the inner wars and separations in the B&H movement?

I think it's well documented that C18 took over the reins following Ian's death, ISD Records was set up and things looked positive for awhile.
Blood & Honour is a worldwide movement and suffers from the same problems that beset all conglomerates and large numbers of people united in common aim, it's very difficult to keep all the people happy all of the time.
The thing we should all focus on now is the future. A lot of our rank and file who attend B&H gigs weren't even about when the problems occurred, and several people who were key players in the problems have now left the movement. Ian had to overcome difficulties with B&H and Unity Productions, but he managed to resolve the situation. I'm sure if Ian was still alive B&H would be one united movement, as the great man said himself "Together we are strong, divided we are weak".

To what extend did Ian Stuart influence your own attitude and live? After all this years what do you nowadays think of Ian’s lifework and legacy?

There's an old saying "Show me the boy at 7 and I will show you the man". I think there might be a ring of truth in that. When I first heard Ian's voice come growling out of my speakers telling me of our racial struggle, it must have lit a spark, a spark of hope, and that spark of hope has stayed with me all these years. Everyday our enemies chip away at our freedom, trying to destroy our bloodline and heritage. But, everyday, so does our resolve and hope grow. Our foes need to fear that hope, they know a small spark of hope is ok, but when it grows into an inferno then they are in danger.

From what I have been witnessed with my own eyes the vast majority of the people inside British Skinhead scene are aged 40 plus years. Why you have almost no need blood in the movement?

I don't agree that the vast majority of our kinsfolk are old timers. We do have new blood in the movement, just not enough of it.
The solution (again) can be found in White community building. If several hundred racially aware families are living in close proximity to each other, this will manifest into a strong sense of camaraderie. Our children will go to school together and grow up in a community that shares our credo, philosophy and belief system. They will then become the future and from small acorns mighty oaks do grow.

Many people see Eastern Europe as the last fortress of the White Race. Do you agree with them? What is your vision about whole Europe and UK in 20 years? Do our nations and race have a chance to survive?

Eastern Europe will only become the last fortress of Europe if we don't change tactics.
At the recent G20 summit Hungary repaid its loads and told the Rothchilds and the IMF to close its office in Budapest, saying it was no longer needed. If they can do it so can our nations.
Things in Northern Europe seem to be going from bad to worse. The Swedish government announced on September 3rd that it would be granting permanent residency to any Syrian refugees seeking asylum, great news for the 2 million Syrian refugees displaced by violence and war I'm sure, not so for the blonde haired, blue eyed vikings who muslims have earned Sweden the title of rape capital of the world.
People say there must be a serious economic crisis in their lands before Nationalist politics can rise. Hitler's Germany, and the recent success of Golden Dawn is testiment to this. However, if there is a serious economic emergency in your land would you and your racial organisation be prepared? There should be at least a national meeting point where all Aryan Conservationists can congregate and unite in times of strife. And AGAIN this comes back to the Live The Dream White Homeland concept.
We all know Germany suffers from the harshest racial laws in Europe, but even in the Motherland their is a spark of hope with the town of Jamel and its growing White racial enclave.
Today, Europe is at a crossroads. If we keep just plodding away hoping for a new Fuhrer to emerge to save us from dispear then in 20 years things will be very black. It is down to us to make things change, so there is always a chance of survival.

Thanks a lot for the interview! Any final comments or massage to the readers of Revolt NS?
I would like to ask all readers of this blog to take the time to read the Live The Dream booklet. Absorb what it has to say, and if you agree with just 80% of its philosophy please lobby your racial leaders to support the concept.
Also, a big thanks to the staff at NSREVOLT for this interview.

Cheers Benny

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